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Notabug is a laboratory for online governance built by an anarchist.

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    go2dfish
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    Yes it's possible to do this with notabug's upcoming approach to moderation but you're probably going to want to require accounts.

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      go2dfish
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      Username checks out.

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        go2dfish
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        No fun in that.

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          Likely yes, but search (which we don't have yet) in a larger content stream gets more expensive at that scale.

          It's the distribution costs that really kill you though. BitTorrent sure does well at that game though.

          And that's precisely why notabug is p2p.

          When feature complete, this thing is gonna take off way faster than anyone expects right now.

          Partly this is me trying to get mark hyped up to fix the SEA blocker; but it's still all true if you think about it.

          https://removeddit.com is powered by pushshift (same thing powering snew) it injests ALL of reddit's public data in realtime until reddit goes down.

          Pushshift is one guy named Jason with patreon donations and he's been backing up reddit this way for years without a huge amount of difficulty.

          Even with spaces, notabug doesn't have complicated permission systems, and this is all highly shardable.

          Sharding ETH is hard. Sharding reddit is called subs.

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            go2dfish
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            Yeah that's probably also a factor then.

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              On the UI side, such fast voting is actually likely to be less hard on your CPU with how the throttling works.

              If there are a ton of updates coming in at once the UI tries to batch and wait before doing updates. That's why you saw the number go up in chunks.

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                Cool, thanks for the test.

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                  ^ this pow is the closest thing to time limits we can get in a distributed system right now I think.

                  Social voting is interesting, but I also fear it could lead to more twitter like voting bubbles.

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                    go2dfish
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                    I like money, if there was a way to hook that up I'm all for it; but I can't think of a way that works offhand.

                    Money isn't my focus in building this out, and a goal is to keep it relatively cheap to run and spread out costs among peers in the long run.

                    I am wary about any sort of system that directly financially rewards posters for their contributions. I have no way to stop this of course if someone builds something like that out; but from what I've seen of steemit and minds I'm not sure it leads to good content overall.

                      Every post on this topic looks like it was made by a teenager trying to be "deep"in collapse

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                      Yes I am a voluntarist, but the design decisions here were intended to distribute power rather than concentrate it.

                      The frontpage of notabug.io has limited space.

                      The naive implementation is to make the frontpage a reverse order sort like a blog.

                      But then each new post effectively acts like a downvote. It takes 25 downvotes to censor a post off the frontpage and the only way to get it back is to repost it which is not optimal.

                      You could have only upvotes, but then it only takes one powerful entity to promote content that dominates everything else without recourse, allowing for spam of both the commercial, and ideological variety.

                      Sorting by hot and providing the new/top and controversial sorts aims to strike a balance between these concerns.

                      Now separate from this you might focus on the fast that we have a democracy of computing power rather than a democracy of individuals.

                      It's incredibly difficult to ensure 1 person 1 account even on a site with the resources of Facebook (see the russian interference scandals)

                      It's doubly so in a site that aims to preserve end user privacy/anonymity.

                      Voting through computing power is a first pass approach at content sorting which can live alongside other approaches.

                        Half of the post at r/linux are being censored in reddit

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                        Might be a good time to demonstrate a better code of conduct.

                        https://github.com/notabugio/notabug/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md

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                          That's only if you assume their argument is against the total production of phones rather than the somewhat disposable culture of cell phone hardware and/or planned obsolescence.

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                            go2dfish
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                            These are more social norms and not something for me to dictate.

                            It's effectively impossible to ensure 1 person 1 vote on the internet, and especially in a distributed environment; so like bitcoin notabug's sorts are currently a democracy of hashing power.

                            But it only affects the sorting of content, and this can be ignored via the new sort.

                            Additionally, the controversial tab is the most expensive work wise to get and stay on top of, so the effort of a battle like this is not entirely wasted.

                            Even moderation isn't going to preclude the voting arms race any time soon I expect so it's something to come to grips with.

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                              Are there any phones not made in China these days?

                              Used is about as good as you can get on sustainability grounds wrt to phones.

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                                go2dfish
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                                There isn't really a cheating here.

                                Someone is clearly responding to being heavily downvoted.

                                You could engage the vote war, argue a counter point in the posts they get highly visible, post alternate content....

                                Whatever.

                                The key is the users control the site.

                                Cheating would be bypassing the proof of work requirement or fucking with the database in unexpected ways.

                                Effort matters here.

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                                  You could take it that way, or you could take it as someone trying to better understand what you are trying to say.

                                  I too have difficulty deciphering your meaning, but the only gate there is my own understanding. (I'm not any of the anons in this thread btw)

                                    That commie degenerate that was promoting killing police officers got suspended from reddit, thanks everyonein antifa

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                                    Maybe, I still lean against in the physical realm, but I am pretty well convinced that the rational does not apply to purely online spaces.

                                    As a fan of Hoppe's ideas around argumentative ethics, I think there could be a lot of power in that to work towards peaceful solutions.

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                                      go2dfish
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                                      I didn't see those as ads as much as attribution but I suppose that's a fair characterization.

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                                        go2dfish
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                                        I don't have a problem with someone trying to sell t-shirts on nab unless they flood the site with it.

                                        But really even if I do have a problem with it all I can do is provide tools to avoid it and reasonable defaults.

                                        I (and I think most people) view commercial spam a bit differently than how you are viewing this.

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                                          go2dfish
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                                          Spam isn't so bad in moderation.

                                          Maybe look at it more as commie bait.

                                          Don't bitch about the features you built into the website

                                          It's just my opinion and suggestion for improving the quality of the site, by design I have no way to force anyone to do anything here; but like everyone else I have the ability to express my opinions.

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                                            The wasted potential of reddit is not a collection of good content or the absence of bad content.

                                            It's the potential to be a universal platform for people to discuss disparate topics without completely and totally walling people off from each other.

                                            The goal here is to be a place for everyone.

                                            What good is it preaching to the choir?

                                            This place isn't meant to be a circle jerk, it's meant to (once spaces are ready) enable multiple competing circle jerks along side neutral and ideological battlegrounds.

                                            But doing so via brute cpu power is much more boring and less engaging than doing so through impassioned debate.

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                                              Sure it's not the most in depth argument in the world, but that doesn't mean it can't be a starting point for a good discussion.

                                              If you just downvote the ignorant nobody learns anything.