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[]jtriangle -0 points

"young men"

Yeah, that ain't it fam. It appeals to anyone who enjoys reflected, unearned glory. That could basically be anyone.

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Nationalism is exploited by old men expressly for this purpose as they understand everything a young man feels is easily manipulated bullshit.

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Old men exploit young men it doesn't matter the social order. If globalists get their way old women will exploit young men too

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Do old women really understand young men the way old men do?

[]go1dfish -0 points

Agree, but I'd extend it to collectivism in general. Racism is fueled by similar dynamics.

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Collectivism is simply a part of human nature. You are the defacto leader of this collective, notabug.io

"racism" has lost all meaning. Even pointing out genetic differences between races is considered "racist" these days. The fact of the matter is that there ARE differences between races of humans. This doesn't justify hatred of any particular race, but stating that there are proven differences isn't inherently racist.

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Are you an anarcho capitalist?

[]go1dfish -0 points

Pretty much, but less emphasis on capitalism and more emphasis on voluntaryism.

[]Selene -0 points

How disappointing.

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That go1dfish is not a racist?

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You're wrong. This glory for things they never did is an odd framing, Would women have glory if HRC was elected?

What would be your alternative to nationalism?

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"discuss"

You first. Prove it before putting it on us. I get tired of running around making arguments for or against something when the other side merely supposes a conclusion.

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ok, then don't, and do something else instead

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So you don't actually have a case for the assertion. Got it.

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It's not an assertion. It's a topic for discussion that you said you wanted to opt out of.

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What reflected glory? If men build up a nation-state, and if that nation-state gets 'glory', then in what way is it reflected?

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If Jefferson and Lincoln built up the state 230 years ago, and Louis Armstrong and Buzz Lightyear landed on the moon, and Jared who is 18, fat, and can't get a girlfriend takes credit.....

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You forgot the second have of your conditional statement.

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I figured you could fill that in using your mind.

[]Selene -0 points

If your country evinces values that you support, then "nationalism" is only natural. America is a democracy in a world with chinese organ harvesting farms, communists collapsing countries like venezuala, and cartels running countries like Mexico. If you are an American and aren't "Nationalist", then you lack morals.

That I even have to say this is shameful, after so many people have fought and died to make it possible. WTF is wrong with you people?

[]go1dfish -0 points

If your country evinces values that you support, then "nationalism" is only natural.

Supporting the brand of your nation because you think it does good things is not what I would consider to be harmful nationalism.

It's inverting that logic to say that the things your nation does are good because your nation does it that gets more dangerous, or believing that those ideals you associate with a nation are only possible to achieve and espouse in that nation.

Too much identification with any sort of collective tends to foster an us vs them mentality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDtnVLP3Dgw

[]Selene -0 points

Americanism, then, is not harmful nationalism. Comparing us to China or Saudi Arabia is a false equivalency. I'm stubborn and speak my mind. If I were born in either of those countries, I'd be in jail or dead.

I recognize that other countries may be better. Japan has been doing notably well, though has interesting problems of its own.

However, when it comes to things like trade deals, and keeping out people who have raised and cultivated to be weak and pusillanimous, like those brought up under communism and islam, Nationalism is necessary. It's not a matter of "brand".

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There are some parts of Americanism that any right-thinking person should reject, even if they are pro-American.

An example would be the modern American diet.

[]Selene -0 points

Also our education system, but that's a topic for another day.

[]go1dfish -1 points

Our education system derives from 18th/19th century Prussia.

https://invidio.us/watch?v=okPnDZ1Txlo

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Could learn something from Finland

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I am a Prussian nationalist

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Nationalism succeeds for the same reason communism does.

Nothing to do with glory.

It's a looking towards the future.

Evidence: I'm a nationalist and identitarian.

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"succeeds" meaning "succeeds in recruiting people."

It's not about what you think you are or what you believe you were.

It's about what you believe you could be, what you want to believe your society could be.

It's about hope.

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Only communism can't succeed

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So THAT's why nationalism appeals to me!

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Love how 'nationalism' and 'globalism' has create a state which people forget about 'individualism'

Oh well - as long as we're apart of a group and can win.

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maybe it's appealing because it has worked for the majority of civilization?

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maybe it's appealing because the alternatives are objectively complete failures?

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