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Nobody can give you a right to parrhesia. No possible institution of power can give you the right to free speech. No truly dangerous speech will ever be tolerated by power - to think that there can be a blanket guarantee of speech in society is a liberal fantasy, it ignores the fact that the biggest consequences for speech are always social and not political in nature.

Demands for "free speech" are not about free speech, they are about a cowardly plea for the state to protect you from the social consequences of your speech.

If you want parrhesia, you have to fight for it and accept the consequences of exercising it.

See Foucault's Fearless Speech.

Freedom of speech, only illegal content is censored

And then keep acting like your idea of a state-defined realm of free speech is anything other than bootlicking.

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Obvious commie shill is obvious.

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"I want the internet to protect me from the negative consequences of being an asshole!"

From one asshole to another. If you're gonna be an asshole, have the courage to take your lumps

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Just because there isn't site-wide censorship doesn't mean that there can be no consequences for hate.

On notabug, your posts can still be downvoted mercilessly. Anyone can still call you out in the comments and insult you as cruelly as they want. If you dare to post with a registered account, anyone can downvote or even brigade your posts (as brigading isn't against the rules). Any space can censor your posts if they choose. (well, not yet, but moderation is planned). Or you can just counter hateful posts by creating positive posts and posts refuting these hateful posts.

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How is merciless downvoting different from voat censorship if it pushes things out of view

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The difference with Voat is that you aren't prevented from making submissions or comments. You can still see (and interact with) mass downvoted submissions/comments by using the new or controversial tab.

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I wish the left had a Voat. Instead, they censor and moderate themselves to nothing. But they do not value free thinking, and they do not allow it where they can help it, so it's impossible to court them as users. Lesson: culture matters, even if I disagree.

At least with Reddit we can undelete certain posts, thanks to go1dfish and accidents of implementation. And the Voat clones (Raddle, Phuks, Poal) advertise moderation logs. Saidit is a Reddit clone without that, so it's easy to classify (as garbage). Lesson: lack of technical features can fail users, even if they trust the admins.

I've never gotten into Steemit, but money never struck me as 'not good' or the problem with the site. It's that the content is crap because the millennial-bitcoin crowd that spends time there loves that front page of youtube shit, and they have no technical nor ideological reason to leave Reddit. I had the same problem with Bitchute until Youtube accelerated its banning, and the former finally got a complete catalog of Moonman and injections of fresh content. Lesson: people need a reason to have a conversation, or they'll be boring both to me and to themselves.

As an addition: Mastodon is a wasteland of shouting into the aether, where fickle literal faggots and admins break conversations with their capricious and opaque moderation and blocking before you as a user have a chance to actually interact. It's like newsgroups with three layers of killfiles that affect everything you read and you can't turn off. It's uniquely horrible, and worth adding to this list because of the Tumblr exodus to it and other NSFW-able services. Lesson: decentralization/federation requires cooperation to prevent fickle fragmentation.

Also, I can't even evaluate "Prismo" because it's such a generic word fragment that I can't find the site. Bad branding is a real issue for these sites, and they need to learn from the way the big boys ("Reddit", "Digg", "Tumblr", etc, even "Steemit" is memorable and findable) distinguished themselves in the age of search engines. Lesson: who was the ad wizard who came up with this one?

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Raddle is left-friendly even though it's mostly post-left, not sure what you mean.

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A couple of Voat goats went over there at separate times, politely, and just got shitcanned. It can't foster conversation, regardless how down-voted it becomes, and it can't grow, because they physically remove people from their earshot. In other words, it may try to look like Voat, but I can't go there and learn anything, so it might as well not exist.

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Voat goats are the scum of the earth and it doesn't take much to notice a sealion or other troll if you run an internet forum. Just because you understand people to be doing things "politely" doesn't mean that is what they are doing. And some people are such trolls even their 'genuine' attempts to engage people are abhorrent to anyone with basic social comprehension.

They're usually quite capable of identifying when someone is there with an agenda and when someone is there in good faith, imho.

Raddle has no interest in looking like voat. Not sure why you have so much trouble learning anything from them.

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With "They're usually quite capable" I mean the raddle people.

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Leftypol is the left's voat. The only left politics place that isn't run by 'literal faggots' as you put it.

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I had enough of your stupid claims, notabug is NOT free speech.
It's not that hard to understand: free speech means that everything is allowed even illegal speech.

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Voat doesn't allow you to post submissions or make more than 10 comments in a day if you have less than 10 CCP and has restrictions on how much you can upvote and downvote based on your CCP

I thought the echo-chamber was self-imposed. Makes sense the place is such a clusterfuck with a bias producing foundation like that.

Steemit incorporates money into submissions, which is not good IMO.

All those crypto clone social media sites are designed only to be easy way to take money from bcashers.

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Raddle will censor you if you aren't a SJW, enough said.

Or even if you simply think civilization is good.

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Weird that people think this about Raddle. Sure, they hate civilisation over there, but they won't censor you unless you're a bigot. They also have public moderation logs etc.

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Everything righteous is bigotry to communists. Censorship is the problem. Their garbage ideals are just how they justify it.

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There's like one communist on raddle and he gets shit on at every opportunity...

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They like to pretend they're not commies while supporting all the commie talking points. They're (((sneaky))) that way.

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Or maybe you don't know what communists are.

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Or if you think white women shouldn't be slaughtered for being white.

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be interested to see where you've seen this because you sound full of shit

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They have a whole forum for hating on white people lol.

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For hating on white racism, yes, and that's clear if you read the forum. Most of the users are white.

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Let's spam this list on all the sites mentioned to bring more free speech advocates to nab.

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What about Aether? The creator has already said that he would censor nazis, but since it is p2p you can switch that off (I think there isn't a GUI option for this yet, but the software is still a preview). Also, he hasn't taken down the alt-right community until now, so it will probably not be extremely strict. It could be difficult to get the censored content, though, because peers for whom it is blocked won't forward it. For legal reasons, the only thing that won't be able to easily be switched off are DMCA takedowns. It does also have a SFW list, which is maintained by the creator, which might be influenced by the views of the people, but this can be switched off and I think the network propagation won't be affected by it.

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The creator said it clealry, Aether is a place for ideas, not really a media sharing platform:

"Aether is not really meant to be a Reddit replacement — it is certainly not designed to provide a safe haven for (actually illegal) banned Reddit communities either."

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I would add Aether, from the creator:

"Generally speaking, what I had in mind when creating Aether was that it is a place for ideas, not really a media sharing platform. That's why it's text based and only carries text. So it's not really meant to be a Reddit replacement — it is certainly not designed to provide a safe haven for (actually illegal) banned Reddit communities either. I have to apply US law, just like Reddit. This place isn't on Tor, it's not a darknet, it's peer to peer and encrypted, but all the content is public and your computer is sharing all that content as well. So if you share content illegal in the US, and live in the US, your concern isn't Aether's TOS, it's FBI. Given enough time, and given that you continue to post, they can definitely find you. Aether gives you privacy from mass surveillance and dragnets, but it's not designed to stand against surveillance specifically targeting you. So yes, they can find you if they are specifically looking for you. But again, if they're specifically looking for you, they can basically find you through even Tor as well, so it's not like it's any different from what's available out there."

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Thanks for this. Most of these points were news to me.

Have you got the link for Prismo?

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here's an example instance of Prismo: prismo.news

and here's their gitlab: https://gitlab.com/mbajur/prismo

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Thanks for this post. Very informative.