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Reddit also censors scientific discourse in the form of admins telling mods their subs will get banned if they don't remove pirate links to papers in professional journals.

The same applies to discussions of printed fiction like r/printsf where the mods have to ban and censor all discussion of digital rights management and how to convert your ebooks to permanent and accessible formats (like for text to speech).

It's not just the controversial subreddits getting banned by admins. The gentrification of reddit after their recent bouts of corporate investment means many traditionally liked (not just tolerated) subs have to go.

Another example is r/piracy and the admin's quest to ban it. The mods have gone so far as to delete the entire sub's history except the last handful of months.

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Continued... And these are all good reasons not to use reddit. But I'm really here because of what notabug is. It's ostensibly (and in code) a system that works with federated servers and that's super important. And centralized system will only have one set of rules about what is allowed. In the end one set of rules never works.

[]go1dfish -0 points

And yes, reddit does censor more than hate speech.

r/watchpeopledie was not a hateful community it was shut down. Same with r/shoplifting r/beertrade r/gunsforsale and many other communities reddit has banned or quarantined.

The biggest issue with reddit is not the admins though; it's the moderators they go far beyond reddit in terms of censoring content and it's not always or even mostly hate speech.

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[]Bypel -1 points

The first of those seems pretty hateful to me. Even if it isn't racist, sexist etc.

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There is nothing hateful about watching someone die. I've seen people die and had nothing by compassion for them.

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Look at /r/Games randomly deciding they want to deny their userbase their sub entirely, none of that shit here. No arguing with mods for 2 hours that your post doesn't conform to their retarded ass format/ restrictions either. Mods gone rogue? admins do nothing about it? on nab you just switch spaces and you keep all your posts from before.

Basically no unilateral modding, you choose your mods.

[]go1dfish -0 points

^ That's a good example.

If you ran a popular space here you could (ideally; no support for this yet) freeze/lock it.

But end users could effectively "fork" your space (like an open source project) and retain the existing content while also allowing new content.

The owner of the space gets to decide what's in their space; but the community can individually ignore their mandates and control their own experience.

[]Tree_Perception -0 points

yeah, to further explain spaces: your content will still be available to the old place and vice versa even after the fork, as long as it's not explicitly banned

this means that even in the case of a community disagreement on moderation, the community itself will not have to split into 2 distinct communities, like reddit subs have to

[]Tree_Perception -0 points

^ this was me

[]go1dfish -0 points

For one, NotABug is still open source, reddit no longer is.

For two, the model of moderation here is quite different, moderators can still curate things; but without silencing others.

More is described here:

https://notabug.io/user/CEyKrDd1xyPXpWSV00MgvnZY2VJLHXgzCvhMeDwKTYA.yjSq0DyXzzhB_ZXr_DzfJgij3tXU0-3t0Q5bJAtZpj8/spaces/spaces

Things are still in heavy development, the entire DB is public and it's possible for others to run their own peers with the same content and different policy. Eventually in browser p2p will be usable to distribute content.

[]Bypel -0 points

I vaguely remember from when I was on here as anon that spaces contain all 'subbugs' (if that's a word) and are sort of like moderation feeds that you can choose to subscribe to or not. Is that true?

I had that idea a while ago btw: https://voat.co/v/technology/876288/5192528

[]Tree_Perception -0 points

topic is the word you're looking for, and yeah spaces reference topics for content, apart from the sidebar description and listing source (the source code of the space so to speak), there is no content exclusive to spaces

[]Bypel -0 points

That's pretty cool!

[]go1dfish -0 points

Yeah that's pretty much it, subscriptions aren't a thing yet but that's the goal.

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subbugs should be a word.

[]jtriangle -0 points

Currently, it's better because it's not down, because reddit is.

The reddit admins censor all kinds of things, and the mods actively manipulate their subs for their own agenda. In addition to that, there are very likely mods that are on payroll for external companies, and reddit's long standing "just make your own sub" policy is absolute garbage because you lose all of that past content.

The voting system is terrible, because there's a karma minigame going on that does little more than encourage users to fall in line and not say anything controversial.

In that vein, the user culture here is currently astoundingly pro-speech. They'll take on stupid ideas head on without wanting to just censor someone. I've seen numerous incorrect, racist, theories be discussed in a normal manner and countered with actual data instead of autistic screeching. This isn't a minor point, because if you truly believe that someone is wrong and would like them to be right, allowing them to voluntarily be convinced of your point of view is lightyears better than simply banning them like some sort of pariah. A bad idea doesn't remove your personhood here, and that's a beautiful thing.

[]go1dfish -0 points

I think the culture is a result of most users filtering in through ceddit.

It’s popular enough to attract a somewhat diverse group of people bound together by a common thread of curiosity and/or opposition to censorship.

It still skews a bit to the right because I think the issue of internet censorship feels more poignant to them at the moment, but I see those on the left commonly using ceddit to highlight issues as well.

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Daily reminder about the shady tactics of reddit.

less Subtle

-Preventive censorship: limitations on account creation and permissions. -Automatic censorship: specific words trigger auto removal. -Censorship: manual removal of content.

More Subtle

-Content automatic censorship: content limitations that determines whether your posts should be autoremoved. -Content selection: if your content is approved it may be manually removed in favour of the same content promoved by another party.

Absolute evil:

-Vote manipulation: votes can be easily boosted by admins or with bots. -Ranking manipulation: some content may be show first even if doesn't have the most upvotes. -UI design: big scaling makes it harder to see controversial content.

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It's not Reddit.

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N.A.B pros:

  • no censorship
  • anonymous rather than pseudonymous
  • open source

N.A.B cons:

  • basically 0 community compared to reddit
  • a bit slow

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The demographics of Reddit is much more accepting of tyranny and corruption than those of us who have fled here.

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